Maoists to declare autonomous federal units from December 11

The agitating Unified CPN (Maoist) has decided to declare various autonomous federal units across the country from December 11 to 18.

What do you think will happen then?

As the saying goes, united we stand divided we fall. So we will get what we deserve and surely fall.
Let me give my view on the whole maoist thing at the same time.
the b***dy Maoists should go f**k themselves.
That the first thing that came to my mind, sorry for the language people, but i can't help it. It seriously amazes me to see how the Maoists are working or surviving at all. I mean what the hell do they want, is it republican democracy or maoist autocracy? Do they even know what democracy is? have they ever come to me to ask what i want? Hell no. Because they can only make people who are blind believe. And those who are blind in nepal are surely acting as if they are not only blind but deaf and dumb as well. No one really understands the true need of the country, not me not you, but for sure we can try. But we have come to such a stage, as they say point of no return. And i am sure the maoist will get their way one way or another, sooner or later. No one has the courage to stand up to them, again not you and not me. And we have humiliated the one who can stand up to them. We today are ashamed of our country today, because it has turned out to be different from our common dream of a wealthy and wise nation.
Outside the country, here in the UK, we feel proud by just seeing our national flag, and to hear the debates to change our flag cut through our hearts and our hearts weep.
So what have we come to. What are we doing for the country? is the wrong question, because we all are doing what we can, we are playing our part. the question is how long will it take for our actions to show its results.
No offense to anyone, if anyone is offended just try debating some more

Rushil wrote:As the saying goes, united we stand divided we fall. So we will get what we deserve and surely fall.
Let me give my view on the whole maoist thing at the same time.
the b***dy Maoists should go f**k themselves.
That the first thing that came to my mind, sorry for the language people, but i can't help it. It seriously amazes me to see how the Maoists are working or surviving at all. I mean what the hell do they want, is it republican democracy or maoist autocracy? Do they even know what democracy is? have they ever come to me to ask what i want? Hell no. Because they can only make people who are blind believe. And those who are blind in nepal are surely acting as if they are not only blind but deaf and dumb as well. No one really understands the true need of the country, not me not you, but for sure we can try. But we have come to such a stage, as they say point of no return. And i am sure the maoist will get their way one way or another, sooner or later. No one has the courage to stand up to them, again not you and not me. And we have humiliated the one who can stand up to them. We today are ashamed of our country today, because it has turned out to be different from our common dream of a wealthy and wise nation.
Outside the country, here in the UK, we feel proud by just seeing our national flag, and to hear the debates to change our flag cut through our hearts and our hearts weep.
So what have we come to. What are we doing for the country? is the wrong question, because we all are doing what we can, we are playing our part. the question is how long will it take for our actions to show its results.
No offense to anyone, if anyone is offended just try debating some more

well, Rushil, what about some of the positive changes the Maoists have brought?? The decentralization of power concept, overthrowing monarchy, and giving the corrupt political parties a warning that there are alternatives for them if they don't right themselves?

Rushil wrote:As the saying goes, united we stand divided we fall. So we will get what we deserve and surely fall.
Let me give my view on the whole maoist thing at the same time.
the b***dy Maoists should go f**k themselves.
That the first thing that came to my mind, sorry for the language people, but i can't help it. It seriously amazes me to see how the Maoists are working or surviving at all. I mean what the hell do they want, is it republican democracy or maoist autocracy? Do they even know what democracy is? have they ever come to me to ask what i want? Hell no. Because they can only make people who are blind believe. And those who are blind in nepal are surely acting as if they are not only blind but deaf and dumb as well. No one really understands the true need of the country, not me not you, but for sure we can try. But we have come to such a stage, as they say point of no return. And i am sure the maoist will get their way one way or another, sooner or later. No one has the courage to stand up to them, again not you and not me. And we have humiliated the one who can stand up to them. We today are ashamed of our country today, because it has turned out to be different from our common dream of a wealthy and wise nation.
Outside the country, here in the UK, we feel proud by just seeing our national flag, and to hear the debates to change our flag cut through our hearts and our hearts weep.
So what have we come to. What are we doing for the country? is the wrong question, because we all are doing what we can, we are playing our part. the question is how long will it take for our actions to show its results.
No offense to anyone, if anyone is offended just try debating some more

Well I was really moved by the way a normal Nepali citizen thinks. And this is a general concept of most of them who even reside outside the country. I know now Maoist donot seem to be different than other political parties and just filling itself the hunger of power which it has not tasted yet. As we have already understood that the decentralization couldnot work in our country however which has not been practiced nicely yet. Government has been absent in major part of our country. Now it's a high time that the federal system get into shape but the way Maoists are moving as well it's a rush. Because crushing the human sentiments on any particular way of living is a long term process which they wish to fulfil in a flash. This country is longing to have an autocratic ruler else the country would be no more.
Hence let's see how the new change would come when new idea comes into action. So it would have been justifiable to give them power for some years. Else this battle would be ever-lenthy and no one could prove how the things would turn out.
Again to clear my point federal system is inevitable but so soon without consensus is merely an adranline rush of Maoist.

I like the step that is being taken by the Maoist(declaration of the federal states). Good going Maobaadis.
I likes.

Maoists have come a long way. They have a vision for a New Nepal. They have killed and sacrificed a lot. Dont they have the chance to make some decisions? I support Maoist for the declaration of autonomous federal units. Even better, I am about to help them decide how many units and which unit goes where.

Dear Maoists,
You should decide on 2 states. That is best for the new Nepal.

1st State should be Nepal. Nepal as in its current geography and diversity. All values and choices respected.

2nd State that should be declared is a bit far from the 1st State. 2nd state is Hell, where all maoists should reside and make there decisions for themselves. Go to hell Maoists.

eveningpolestar wrote:

Rushil wrote:As the saying goes, united we stand divided we fall. So we will get what we deserve and surely fall.
Let me give my view on the whole maoist thing at the same time.
the b***dy Maoists should go f**k themselves.
That the first thing that came to my mind, sorry for the language people, but i can't help it. It seriously amazes me to see how the Maoists are working or surviving at all. I mean what the hell do they want, is it republican democracy or maoist autocracy? Do they even know what democracy is? have they ever come to me to ask what i want? Hell no. Because they can only make people who are blind believe. And those who are blind in nepal are surely acting as if they are not only blind but deaf and dumb as well. No one really understands the true need of the country, not me not you, but for sure we can try. But we have come to such a stage, as they say point of no return. And i am sure the maoist will get their way one way or another, sooner or later. No one has the courage to stand up to them, again not you and not me. And we have humiliated the one who can stand up to them. We today are ashamed of our country today, because it has turned out to be different from our common dream of a wealthy and wise nation.
Outside the country, here in the UK, we feel proud by just seeing our national flag, and to hear the debates to change our flag cut through our hearts and our hearts weep.
So what have we come to. What are we doing for the country? is the wrong question, because we all are doing what we can, we are playing our part. the question is how long will it take for our actions to show its results.
No offense to anyone, if anyone is offended just try debating some more

well, Rushil, what about some of the positive changes the Maoists have brought?? The decentralization of power concept, overthrowing monarchy, and giving the corrupt political parties a warning that there are alternatives for them if they don't right themselves?

The decentralization of power concept is a political concept, which I believe will not work in Nepal. Nepal should rather focus on the concept of proper delegation of power and role. If the concept of decentralization the the economic development is to be added to that, then the country will suffer a lot. For a country like Nepal the only way to develop in through centralization. Where a single or few areas are concentrated on at a time and only start something new when the older ones are completed. Look at China for instance where only the eastern part of the country is highly developed while the western end of the country is still undeveloped and rural. Yet it is the world third largest economy.

About over throwing the monarchy, it is not what was done but how it was done. The people's right of determination was ignored and the right of self decision was neglected. The people had the right to decide the faith of the monarchy not the 601 member assembly, the right way would have been to go for a referendum and asked the people, without forcing the voters and by presenting the right information. The issue for me is that people did not know what they were voting for, a government, the CA members, the overthrowing monarchy or any other things. Thus the way it was done was wrong, it would have satisfied me and thousand of others to know that we had a say in the future of our nation and not anyone else.

About corruption, the communists are the most corrupt of all breeds. This a commonly known fact. Everywhere around the globe they are good at propaganda and not the carrying out their words or any work at all. Even the Maoist are corrupt, corruption does not only mean, taking bribes or doing things for their own people, but includes other aspects as well. Therefore it is sad but true that no political party or politician is corruption free. and it is rather high time that the Maoists understand that their are alternatives for them and not the other way round. Their hands are not washed with milk but with blood which still stinks in their hands, the blood of the country, of the countries children, blood of husbands, of wives, of children, of loving mothers, of caring fathers, of supporting brothers and of understanding sisters.

And who are we to decide what is right or wrong, let our faith be decided by our own hands, not by our rights or wrongs, for nothing is right or wrong, it is what we make of it.

Razor Blade wrote:

Rushil wrote:As the saying goes, united we stand divided we fall. So we will get what we deserve and surely fall.
Let me give my view on the whole maoist thing at the same time.
the b***dy Maoists should go f**k themselves.
That the first thing that came to my mind, sorry for the language people, but i can't help it. It seriously amazes me to see how the Maoists are working or surviving at all. I mean what the hell do they want, is it republican democracy or maoist autocracy? Do they even know what democracy is? have they ever come to me to ask what i want? Hell no. Because they can only make people who are blind believe. And those who are blind in nepal are surely acting as if they are not only blind but deaf and dumb as well. No one really understands the true need of the country, not me not you, but for sure we can try. But we have come to such a stage, as they say point of no return. And i am sure the maoist will get their way one way or another, sooner or later. No one has the courage to stand up to them, again not you and not me. And we have humiliated the one who can stand up to them. We today are ashamed of our country today, because it has turned out to be different from our common dream of a wealthy and wise nation.
Outside the country, here in the UK, we feel proud by just seeing our national flag, and to hear the debates to change our flag cut through our hearts and our hearts weep.
So what have we come to. What are we doing for the country? is the wrong question, because we all are doing what we can, we are playing our part. the question is how long will it take for our actions to show its results.
No offense to anyone, if anyone is offended just try debating some more

Well I was really moved by the way a normal Nepali citizen thinks. And this is a general concept of most of them who even reside outside the country. I know now Maoist donot seem to be different than other political parties and just filling itself the hunger of power which it has not tasted yet. As we have already understood that the decentralization couldnot work in our country however which has not been practiced nicely yet. Government has been absent in major part of our country. Now it's a high time that the federal system get into shape but the way Maoists are moving as well it's a rush. Because crushing the human sentiments on any particular way of living is a long term process which they wish to fulfil in a flash. This country is longing to have an autocratic ruler else the country would be no more.
Hence let's see how the new change would come when new idea comes into action. So it would have been justifiable to give them power for some years. Else this battle would be ever-lenthy and no one could prove how the things would turn out.
Again to clear my point federal system is inevitable but so soon without consensus is merely an adranline rush of Maoist.

I completely agree to the point of Nepal longing to have an autocratic ruler..., but not in the form of the Maoists. We need someone who can create a foundation for a brighter Nepal.

"We the people" did give them a chance to taste power and expected highly of them, but it was their own misdoings by trying to change everything at one go that ruined their government. it would have been a shame if the changes they tried to bring so early and all at once would have worked. Their lust for power at the end brought them to their knees and hence had to resign from power.

Federal system is inevitable but I do not see it being a road to success for Nepal.

ghamlagyo wrote:I like the step that is being taken by the Maoist(declaration of the federal states). Good going Maobaadis.
I likes.

Maoists have come a long way. They have a vision for a New Nepal. They have killed and sacrificed a lot. Dont they have the chance to make some decisions? I support Maoist for the declaration of autonomous federal units. Even better, I am about to help them decide how many units and which unit goes where.

Dear Maoists,
You should decide on 2 states. That is best for the new Nepal.

1st State should be Nepal. Nepal as in its current geography and diversity. All values and choices respected.

2nd State that should be declared is a bit far from the 1st State. 2nd state is Hell, where all maoists should reside and make there decisions for themselves. Go to hell Maoists.

I couldn't agree more

Rushil wrote:

eveningpolestar wrote:

Rushil wrote:As the saying goes, united we stand divided we fall. So we will get what we deserve and surely fall.
Let me give my view on the whole maoist thing at the same time.
the b***dy Maoists should go f**k themselves.
That the first thing that came to my mind, sorry for the language people, but i can't help it. It seriously amazes me to see how the Maoists are working or surviving at all. I mean what the hell do they want, is it republican democracy or maoist autocracy? Do they even know what democracy is? have they ever come to me to ask what i want? Hell no. Because they can only make people who are blind believe. And those who are blind in nepal are surely acting as if they are not only blind but deaf and dumb as well. No one really understands the true need of the country, not me not you, but for sure we can try. But we have come to such a stage, as they say point of no return. And i am sure the maoist will get their way one way or another, sooner or later. No one has the courage to stand up to them, again not you and not me. And we have humiliated the one who can stand up to them. We today are ashamed of our country today, because it has turned out to be different from our common dream of a wealthy and wise nation.
Outside the country, here in the UK, we feel proud by just seeing our national flag, and to hear the debates to change our flag cut through our hearts and our hearts weep.
So what have we come to. What are we doing for the country? is the wrong question, because we all are doing what we can, we are playing our part. the question is how long will it take for our actions to show its results.
No offense to anyone, if anyone is offended just try debating some more

well, Rushil, what about some of the positive changes the Maoists have brought?? The decentralization of power concept, overthrowing monarchy, and giving the corrupt political parties a warning that there are alternatives for them if they don't right themselves?

The decentralization of power concept is a political concept, which I believe will not work in Nepal. Nepal should rather focus on the concept of proper delegation of power and role. If the concept of decentralization the the economic development is to be added to that, then the country will suffer a lot. For a country like Nepal the only way to develop in through centralization. Where a single or few areas are concentrated on at a time and only start something new when the older ones are completed. Look at China for instance where only the eastern part of the country is highly developed while the western end of the country is still undeveloped and rural. Yet it is the world third largest economy.

About over throwing the monarchy, it is not what was done but how it was done. The people's right of determination was ignored and the right of self decision was neglected. The people had the right to decide the faith of the monarchy not the 601 member assembly, the right way would have been to go for a referendum and asked the people, without forcing the voters and by presenting the right information. The issue for me is that people did not know what they were voting for, a government, the CA members, the overthrowing monarchy or any other things. Thus the way it was done was wrong, it would have satisfied me and thousand of others to know that we had a say in the future of our nation and not anyone else.

About corruption, the communists are the most corrupt of all breeds. This a commonly known fact. Everywhere around the globe they are good at propaganda and not the carrying out their words or any work at all. Even the Maoist are corrupt, corruption does not only mean, taking bribes or doing things for their own people, but includes other aspects as well. Therefore it is sad but true that no political party or politician is corruption free. and it is rather high time that the Maoists understand that their are alternatives for them and not the other way round. Their hands are not washed with milk but with blood which still stinks in their hands, the blood of the country, of the countries children, blood of husbands, of wives, of children, of loving mothers, of caring fathers, of supporting brothers and of understanding sisters.

And who are we to decide what is right or wrong, let our faith be decided by our own hands, not by our rights or wrongs, for nothing is right or wrong, it is what we make of it.

I agree with you in most parts but i strongly believe decentralization of power and rights of people to make their own decisions are vital for the development of any country. Centralization of power breeds corruption and poverty. just look at our country every single decision gets made in SinghaDurbar by the people who actually know very little about the people who will be affected by the decision. A person in Sigha Durbar makes the decision related to a community in Rukum..and which is why there is no need for the decision maker to be responsible to the people there and the decisions that are made without actually knowing whats really going on there produces very few useful results...its because of the centralization of power that corruption is so rampant ...we know all the central leaders are involved in corruption ..be it Madhav kumar Nepal, be it sher bahadur, be it girija , be it prachanda, be it anyone but we don't have the right to punish them because they are going to be re-elected for sure...we can't do anything against them...but lets say if a VDC president is given the power and responsibility to make the decisions for his village or the CDO is given power and responsibility to make decisions for his district..he will be a bit more responsible towards his people because if a VDC chief if corrupt and everyone knows ...no one is going to let the person get re-elected and people can actually take actions against him...local people know best their problems and their solutions as well...it the centralization of power and resources that prevents them from solving their problems...for eg..a community has low literacy rate...the people there best know how to deal with the problem ni...they know where to build a school or a teaching centre ...how to compensate the teacher ...how to check his integrity and performance etc...even in the recent jarjarkot cholera pandemic ..had the local authorities been given the right resources and power they could have easily prevented the pandemic...

Regarding the example of China...whether china is thrid largest economy or not has little concern to the people in its rural areas...and developing places one by one ?? How long to wait for a particular area to develop?? How long am i supposed to wait for the government even though i know what my problems are?

Rushil wrote:

Razor Blade wrote:

Rushil wrote:As the saying goes, united we stand divided we fall. So we will get what we deserve and surely fall.
Let me give my view on the whole maoist thing at the same time.
the b***dy Maoists should go f**k themselves.
That the first thing that came to my mind, sorry for the language people, but i can't help it. It seriously amazes me to see how the Maoists are working or surviving at all. I mean what the hell do they want, is it republican democracy or maoist autocracy? Do they even know what democracy is? have they ever come to me to ask what i want? Hell no. Because they can only make people who are blind believe. And those who are blind in nepal are surely acting as if they are not only blind but deaf and dumb as well. No one really understands the true need of the country, not me not you, but for sure we can try. But we have come to such a stage, as they say point of no return. And i am sure the maoist will get their way one way or another, sooner or later. No one has the courage to stand up to them, again not you and not me. And we have humiliated the one who can stand up to them. We today are ashamed of our country today, because it has turned out to be different from our common dream of a wealthy and wise nation.
Outside the country, here in the UK, we feel proud by just seeing our national flag, and to hear the debates to change our flag cut through our hearts and our hearts weep.
So what have we come to. What are we doing for the country? is the wrong question, because we all are doing what we can, we are playing our part. the question is how long will it take for our actions to show its results.
No offense to anyone, if anyone is offended just try debating some more

Well I was really moved by the way a normal Nepali citizen thinks. And this is a general concept of most of them who even reside outside the country. I know now Maoist donot seem to be different than other political parties and just filling itself the hunger of power which it has not tasted yet. As we have already understood that the decentralization couldnot work in our country however which has not been practiced nicely yet. Government has been absent in major part of our country. Now it's a high time that the federal system get into shape but the way Maoists are moving as well it's a rush. Because crushing the human sentiments on any particular way of living is a long term process which they wish to fulfil in a flash. This country is longing to have an autocratic ruler else the country would be no more.
Hence let's see how the new change would come when new idea comes into action. So it would have been justifiable to give them power for some years. Else this battle would be ever-lenthy and no one could prove how the things would turn out.
Again to clear my point federal system is inevitable but so soon without consensus is merely an adranline rush of Maoist.

I completely agree to the point of Nepal longing to have an autocratic ruler..., but not in the form of the Maoists. We need someone who can create a foundation for a brighter Nepal.

"We the people" did give them a chance to taste power and expected highly of them, but it was their own misdoings by trying to change everything at one go that ruined their government. it would have been a shame if the changes they tried to bring so early and all at once would have worked. Their lust for power at the end brought them to their knees and hence had to resign from power.

Federal system is inevitable but I do not see it being a road to success for Nepal.

ya its true that people in Nepal are longing to have an autocratic ruler but i think that's the worst thing that can happen...be it maoist with unchecked power or any other autocratic ruler with unlimited power...the simple reason is unchecked/unlimited power corrupts people...

eveningpolestar wrote:

Rushil wrote:

eveningpolestar wrote:

Rushil wrote:As the saying goes, united we stand divided we fall. So we will get what we deserve and surely fall.
Let me give my view on the whole maoist thing at the same time.
the b***dy Maoists should go f**k themselves.
That the first thing that came to my mind, sorry for the language people, but i can't help it. It seriously amazes me to see how the Maoists are working or surviving at all. I mean what the hell do they want, is it republican democracy or maoist autocracy? Do they even know what democracy is? have they ever come to me to ask what i want? Hell no. Because they can only make people who are blind believe. And those who are blind in nepal are surely acting as if they are not only blind but deaf and dumb as well. No one really understands the true need of the country, not me not you, but for sure we can try. But we have come to such a stage, as they say point of no return. And i am sure the maoist will get their way one way or another, sooner or later. No one has the courage to stand up to them, again not you and not me. And we have humiliated the one who can stand up to them. We today are ashamed of our country today, because it has turned out to be different from our common dream of a wealthy and wise nation.
Outside the country, here in the UK, we feel proud by just seeing our national flag, and to hear the debates to change our flag cut through our hearts and our hearts weep.
So what have we come to. What are we doing for the country? is the wrong question, because we all are doing what we can, we are playing our part. the question is how long will it take for our actions to show its results.
No offense to anyone, if anyone is offended just try debating some more

well, Rushil, what about some of the positive changes the Maoists have brought?? The decentralization of power concept, overthrowing monarchy, and giving the corrupt political parties a warning that there are alternatives for them if they don't right themselves?

The decentralization of power concept is a political concept, which I believe will not work in Nepal. Nepal should rather focus on the concept of proper delegation of power and role. If the concept of decentralization the the economic development is to be added to that, then the country will suffer a lot. For a country like Nepal the only way to develop in through centralization. Where a single or few areas are concentrated on at a time and only start something new when the older ones are completed. Look at China for instance where only the eastern part of the country is highly developed while the western end of the country is still undeveloped and rural. Yet it is the world third largest economy.

About over throwing the monarchy, it is not what was done but how it was done. The people's right of determination was ignored and the right of self decision was neglected. The people had the right to decide the faith of the monarchy not the 601 member assembly, the right way would have been to go for a referendum and asked the people, without forcing the voters and by presenting the right information. The issue for me is that people did not know what they were voting for, a government, the CA members, the overthrowing monarchy or any other things. Thus the way it was done was wrong, it would have satisfied me and thousand of others to know that we had a say in the future of our nation and not anyone else.

About corruption, the communists are the most corrupt of all breeds. This a commonly known fact. Everywhere around the globe they are good at propaganda and not the carrying out their words or any work at all. Even the Maoist are corrupt, corruption does not only mean, taking bribes or doing things for their own people, but includes other aspects as well. Therefore it is sad but true that no political party or politician is corruption free. and it is rather high time that the Maoists understand that their are alternatives for them and not the other way round. Their hands are not washed with milk but with blood which still stinks in their hands, the blood of the country, of the countries children, blood of husbands, of wives, of children, of loving mothers, of caring fathers, of supporting brothers and of understanding sisters.

And who are we to decide what is right or wrong, let our faith be decided by our own hands, not by our rights or wrongs, for nothing is right or wrong, it is what we make of it.

I agree with you in most parts but i strongly believe decentralization of power and rights of people to make their own decisions are vital for the development of any country. Centralization of power breeds corruption and poverty. just look at our country every single decision gets made in SinghaDurbar by the people who actually know very little about the people who will be affected by the decision. A person in Sigha Durbar makes the decision related to a community in Rukum..and which is why there is no need for the decision maker to be responsible to the people there and the decisions that are made without actually knowing whats really going on there produces very few useful results...its because of the centralization of power that corruption is so rampant ...we know all the central leaders are involved in corruption ..be it Madhav kumar Nepal, be it sher bahadur, be it girija , be it prachanda, be it anyone but we don't have the right to punish them because they are going to be re-elected for sure...we can't do anything against them...but lets say if a VDC president is given the power and responsibility to make the decisions for his village or the CDO is given power and responsibility to make decisions for his district..he will be a bit more responsible towards his people because if a VDC chief if corrupt and everyone knows ...no one is going to let the person get re-elected and people can actually take actions against him...local people know best their problems and their solutions as well...it the centralization of power and resources that prevents them from solving their problems...for eg..a community has low literacy rate...the people there best know how to deal with the problem ni...they know where to build a school or a teaching centre ...how to compensate the teacher ...how to check his integrity and performance etc...even in the recent jarjarkot cholera pandemic ..had the local authorities been given the right resources and power they could have easily prevented the pandemic...

Regarding the example of China...whether china is thrid largest economy or not has little concern to the people in its rural areas...and developing places one by one ?? How long to wait for a particular area to develop?? How long am i supposed to wait for the government even though i know what my problems are?

I in a way understand your opinion, but still believe that centralisation with power delegation and responsibility sharing is the way to go for Nepal. To further improve our chances for growth and development in all three sectors namely, political, social and economic, we first have to recognise the ability of our resources and act accordingly. In the political frame work as you have mentioned about empowering local VDC's and CDO's, will be the way ahead. In my opinion VDC's and CDO's should be directly elected by the people, in which case it would be semi-autonomous and have the right of self determination. This if you wish can be called decentralisation of power. However we already have this structure the only difference is on directly and indirectly voting by the people. It is also common knowledge that too many chefs spoil the food, so if we have various local decentralised governance system, there will simply be too many people with power. This is going to affect the decision making. The idea put forward by the Maoists as ar as my knowledge is, the central government is still going to make most of the decisions regardless of the decentralised federal system. So why do we need a decentralised system when most of the decisions will be still carried out in Singha Durbar any ways.
The other problem is what what people want. Most people in Nepal do know their problems but lack the solution for it. I blame them not the government for that. It is still up to the people to decide for themselves what actions they should take to get out of any situation. If they need educational institutions, they do not need to look at the government or anybody else, they can just work as a team and establish their own educational institutions, there are various successful examples of this around the country. It holds true for not only the educational sector but for any other sectors as well. It is up to the people of that community or area to attract investments from the government or the private sector.
Looking at decentralisation in a more financial point of view will show that the country simply does not have funds to create and operate a decentralised federal system at the moment. In the beginning and for quiet some time Nepal will face an economic crisis if it decides to become decentralised and choose the federal structure, this is because running more smaller states with its own needs and requirements is going to be far more expensive than operating in the centralised system. In the centralised system the government can decide accordingly on priority basis what amount to spend on which project. Whilst each state will have its own development policies, each will require more and more funds as time passes. Since the states will not be able to have it own self financial decision making power, the state governments will not be able to raise enough money for any major development works. This way at the end the central government will still be running the show. The federal state governments are bound to be puppet governments of the central government.
On how long we have to wait, well far more if we choose to go federal and decentralised. This is also because starting a decentralised system will mean doing things right from the roots, everything will have to be started from scratch and will inevitably take a lot more time than going through with the centralised system. And it is from other countries examples and experiences of successes and failures that we should learn and not experiment on our own and fail over and over again. It is also true that we have to choose a independent model for ourselves and not import any foreign model of government or economy.

"De- centralization of power" should not be the expansion of government. Nepali cannot offered more than 10 states, with more than 100 of ministers, 1000's of government officials, more than 500 lower-house members and so much more government organs.
I think "De- centralization of power" means ownership and authority of people to decide about themselves about their areas. I think decentralization without incising the government structure is good.

Saurav wrote:"De- centralization of power" should not be the expansion of government. Nepali cannot offered more than 10 states, with more than 100 of ministers, 1000's of government officials, more than 500 lower-house members and so much more government organs.
I think "De- centralization of power" means ownership and authority of people to decide about themselves about their areas. I think decentralization without incising the government structure is good.

I think you cannot have a decentralized structure of the state or any organ with having several layers of government and adding more people to the mess already. Therefore I agree to you that decentralization concepts will not work by adding new government offices.
I also believe that the whole concept of decentralization is not going to work in a country like ours and the only way to succeed is to centralize the development, sector and area wise. The concept of giving power and authority to the people is a good concept and has potential, however I believe that we as the general population do not know what we really want. We are too busy trying to carve a livelihood for ourselves. The time we spend on really thinking what we want and is necessary, we can fulfill a more close to home problem, of putting food on the table. Therefore we should first understand what we need and also what we have.
The first step to this is education, only through education can we understand what we have and how we can use our resources for our benefit. And then only can we understand the need and want for a centralized or decentralized system in both the political and economic terms.

Rushil wrote:I in a way understand your opinion, but still believe that centralisation with power delegation and responsibility sharing is the way to go for Nepal. To further improve our chances for growth and development in all three sectors namely, political, social and economic, we first have to recognise the ability of our resources and act accordingly.

That's why decentralization of power is needed...to recognize the ability of our resources and act accordingly. With centralized power, it will be difficult to know what exactly is our resource and what is our competitiveness. and the endless bureaucracy that comes with the centralized power,will make it impossible any swift and efficient implementation of any measures...

Let me give an example: In its early days of prosperity, the primary product of Hongkong were toys and dolls and Hongkong was very competitive at it and Hongkong progressed by exporting dolls and toys and it happened without any central planning...Would any central planning commision or authorities believe that toys are the most competitive resources of a state ..had there been any planning authorities they would surely have talked about developing railway system, or fishing industry or hydropower industry or anything that sounds very great very expensive... but rarely do the people on the authority know more than the people at the grass root level though we generally assume them to.

Delegation of power is a good thing but aren't we having live example of centralised power with delegation of power and responsibility??

Rushil wrote:In the political frame work as you have mentioned about empowering local VDC's and CDO's, will be the way ahead. In my opinion VDC's and CDO's should be directly elected by the people, in which case it would be semi-autonomous and have the right of self determination. This if you wish can be called decentralisation of power. However we already have this structure the only difference is on directly and indirectly voting by the people. It is also common knowledge that too many chefs spoil the food, so if we have various local decentralised governance system, there will simply be too many people with power. This is going to affect the decision making.

Yeah, the VDC cheifs are directly elected by the people but CDO come from the intricate bureaucracy....and what i am talking about it..ya they are directly elected but what powers does the VDC have at all?? Which teacher gets appointed in a school of lets ward no 3 of XYZ VDC is decided in SinghaDurbar...had the VDC been enabled to raise the taxes on their own and finance their own schools wouldn;t the educational system have been a bit more responsible and efficient?

Had the VDC chief been given the power and responsibility to spend the health budget as per his discretion in Jajarkot rather than the allocation and administration of budget from the health ministry, wouldn't the recent diarrhea pandemic prevented??

Rushil wrote:
The idea put forward by the Maoists as ar as my knowledge is, the central government is still going to make most of the decisions regardless of the decentralised federal system. So why do we need a decentralised system when most of the decisions will be still carried out in Singha Durbar any ways.
The other problem is what what people want. Most people in Nepal do know their problems but lack the solution for it. I blame them not the government for that. It is still up to the people to decide for themselves what actions they should take to get out of any situation. If they need educational institutions, they do not need to look at the government or anybody else, they can just work as a team and establish their own educational institutions, there are various successful examples of this around the country. It holds true for not only the educational sector but for any other sectors as well. It is up to the people of that community or area to attract investments from the government or the private sector.
Looking at decentralisation in a more financial point of view will show that the country simply does not have funds to create and operate a decentralised federal system at the moment. In the beginning and for quiet some time Nepal will face an economic crisis if it decides to become decentralised and choose the federal structure, this is because running more smaller states with its own needs and requirements is going to be far more expensive than operating in the centralised system. In the centralised system the government can decide accordingly on priority basis what amount to spend on which project. Whilst each state will have its own development policies, each will require more and more funds as time passes. Since the states will not be able to have it own self financial decision making power, the state governments will not be able to raise enough money for any major development works. This way at the end the central government will still be running the show. The federal state governments are bound to be puppet governments of the central government.
On how long we have to wait, well far more if we choose to go federal and decentralised. This is also because starting a decentralised system will mean doing things right from the roots, everything will have to be started from scratch and will inevitably take a lot more time than going through with the centralised system. And it is from other countries examples and experiences of successes and failures that we should learn and not experiment on our own and fail over and over again. It is also true that we have to choose a independent model for ourselves and not import any foreign model of government or economy.

In fact i don't support the Maoist model of decentralization...it's all their politics....all they are doing is fooling people for their own vested interests...and the way they are diving people in the name of ethnicity and religion ...that's disgusting...they are a curse to this country...however I strongly believe in the notion that local bodies should be allowed to make most of their decisions on their own....and ya, decisions that are crucial for the country's sovereignty and decisions that affects the whole country should be made by the central authority ...otherwise we should strictly be following the principles of subsidiary...

If we have clear demarcation of power and responsibility...there won;t be any conflicts or any decision making delays...

Saurav wrote:"De- centralization of power" should not be the expansion of government. Nepali cannot offered more than 10 states, with more than 100 of ministers, 1000's of government officials, more than 500 lower-house members and so much more government organs.
I think "De- centralization of power" means ownership and authority of people to decide about themselves about their areas. I think decentralization without incising the government structure is good.

totally agree...decentralization of power should never mean the expansion of government...we already have thousands of bloodsuckers...we don't want more of them....what decentralization should focus on is letting people make their own decisions and minimizing the government's control over ordinary people's lives....

I feel the concept of decentralization would have been much better a long way back. But now the world is changing very rapidly with ever widening barrier between needy and wealthy ones. If only Nepal was serious 50 yrs back with decentralization when Thailand, Malayasia and South Korea was in similar standard. But now see the difference a person from undeveloped place hasnot even seen a road and one living in pretty cozy place are feeling the smell of bullet train....what a joke....now it's very high time to stop preaching about decentralization and fool people and rather give them rights to think of their own place by themselves....doesn't a bunch of people of same place know what their problem is? and who r we to justify that they don't know what they themselves need? Give me a break... federalism was not a choice but now it has been an inevitable thing at least for some years...government failed to look after all the people all over Nepal...federalism is not to break apart but becoming stronger in fragments...joining their hands again in time...then only will our country rise...else not in my time and not in my descendants' time will our country develop...

Razor Blade wrote:I feel the concept of decentralization would have been much better a long way back. But now the world is changing very rapidly with ever widening barrier between needy and wealthy ones. If only Nepal was serious 50 yrs back with decentralization when Thailand, Malayasia and South Korea was in similar standard. But now see the difference a person from undeveloped place hasnot even seen a road and one living in pretty cozy place are feeling the smell of bullet train....what a joke....now it's very high time to stop preaching about decentralization and fool people and rather give them rights to think of their own place by themselves....doesn't a bunch of people of same place know what their problem is? and who r we to justify that they don't know what they themselves need? Give me a break... federalism was not a choice but now it has been an inevitable thing at least for some years...government failed to look after all the people all over Nepal...federalism is not to break apart but becoming stronger in fragments...joining their hands again in time...then only will our country rise...else not in my time and not in my descendants' time will our country develop...

agree to you in most parts but one thing you can notice about the countries you mentioned was that they decentralized power but not based on ethnicity or based on any political vested interests and fortunately those countries didn't implement communism.Even Vietnam has implemented capitalistic trade policies after 1990s. And co-incidentally it was the same time the country began to see rapid economic growth.

You see communism is based on the principle of central planning and control.And the way the Maoists are trying to implement federalism is based on ethnicity most probably for these reasons:

It breeds suspicions and hatred against other ethnic people in a place with majority of certain people.

It helps them organize a bureaucratic model of unions and associations of ethnic groups as well as political groups and hence easily manipulate the public opinion.

We can easily derive this from the repeated statements by the Maoists leaders that whatever they are doing is based on the consent of the majority which is a manipulation of the facts i believe.

If we let the Maoists divide the country in the way they want we are in for disaster for sure!! But again decentralization of power is must but not by diving the country on ethnic basis ...i would prefer regional basis instead and delegation of power to the local atuhorities!

eveningpolestar wrote:

agree to you in most parts but one thing you can notice about the countries you mentioned was that they decentralized power but not based on ethnicity or based on any political vested interests and fortunately those countries didn't implement communism.Even Vietnam has implemented capitalistic trade policies after 1990s. And co-incidentally it was the same time the country began to see rapid economic growth.

You see communism is based on the principle of central planning and control.And the way the Maoists are trying to implement federalism is based on ethnicity most probably for these reasons:

It breeds suspicions and hatred against other ethnic people in a place with majority of certain people.

It helps them organize a bureaucratic model of unions and associations of ethnic groups as well as political groups and hence easily manipulate the public opinion.

We can easily derive this from the repeated statements by the Maoists leaders that whatever they are doing is based on the consent of the majority which is a manipulation of the facts i believe.

If we let the Maoists divide the country in the way they want we are in for disaster for sure!! But again decentralization of power is must but not by diving the country on ethnic basis ...i would prefer regional basis instead and delegation of power to the local authorities!

i second it that those countries didn't implement the communism but my concern right now is not whether it's capitalism or communism. But rather which path to choose to develop our country, is it the same slow track of giving people fake promise of decentralization or giving them opportunity to think themselves how to do it in their own way. I also don't agree upon the caste based federal system but other parties also need to state firmly how they wish to proceed for federalism. And the slogan stating "majority people say this so we are going to do this" is not only slogan of Maoists. And it is the technique applied by most of the political parties in order to show their presence whether they may be less numbered. One thing we lack in judgment nowadays is that having nos of political parties only won't do good, but rather respecting all their voices is the best.

I think, providing most of the power to president of V.D.C's and Municipalities and to the L.D.O's, C.D.O's and 'Anchaladhis' is the best way to go for the de-centralization. But all the L.D.O's, C.D.O's and 'Anchaladhis' should be elected form their respective regions. We can see examples that political leaders, even how corrupt they are will do better for their local region, like Chiranjivi Wagle, Pashupati Sumsher, Bijaya Kumar Gacchyadhar etc.

Razor Blade wrote:I feel the concept of decentralization would have been much better a long way back. But now the world is changing very rapidly with ever widening barrier between needy and wealthy ones. If only Nepal was serious 50 yrs back with decentralization when Thailand, Malayasia and South Korea was in similar standard. But now see the difference a person from undeveloped place hasnot even seen a road and one living in pretty cozy place are feeling the smell of bullet train....what a joke....now it's very high time to stop preaching about decentralization and fool people and rather give them rights to think of their own place by themselves....doesn't a bunch of people of same place know what their problem is? and who r we to justify that they don't know what they themselves need? Give me a break... federalism was not a choice but now it has been an inevitable thing at least for some years...government failed to look after all the people all over Nepal...federalism is not to break apart but becoming stronger in fragments...joining their hands again in time...then only will our country rise...else not in my time and not in my descendants' time will our country develop...

Well people know what they need. We all know what we want and will get it if we work towards it. But the real question is there are so many things required so where do we start? And the only way to find out is prioritise, and the only way we can do that is through education. until and unless people are educated we will not be able to obtain what we need and want, as history has shown us time and again, we often fail to recognise the ways to obtain what we need and want.
It is no doubt that the people know what they want, but I ask you do we all know how to get what we need and want? Sure we know what we need and want but the difficult part is to know how to get it and the best way to do it according to me is through education. Lets start from the beginning from the grass root level.
Federalism is not the answer to our problems it is just an easy excuse. A white lie to people saying that federalism is going to provide what the people want. federalism is a process of understanding who to compete and develop through a decentralised system, which is not a bad thing. But the issue is, for a country like Nepal with limited resources in both human and nature, we will have to first together so that we can later to further and not the other way around. We can never come together once we have been divided. Plus I believe that this federal system that the politicians talk about is just a big scam to gain as much power as they can, and not for the betterment of people like us.It is a hoax to please everyone which is impossible,because people will never stop wanting and the government can never deliver. It is politically motivated step rather than a proper devised action plan for development. As they say, United we stand divided we fall, this is not just a saying it is a fact of day to day life. So it is about time to think about it with a cool head and understand how it is being done and what can be achieved through federalism.
I do not oppose federalism is a broad sense, but I strongly disagree about federalism in Nepal. I would stand by it and support it if Nepal was a better developed country with high level of literacy. Where the people have a sense of identity and belonging, which we do not have now, no matter what people may say.

Saurav wrote:I think, providing most of the power to president of V.D.C's and Municipalities and to the L.D.O's, C.D.O's and 'Anchaladhis' is the best way to go for the de-centralization. But all the L.D.O's, C.D.O's and 'Anchaladhis' should be elected form their respective regions. We can see examples that political leaders, even how corrupt they are will do better for their local region, like Chiranjivi Wagle, Pashupati Sumsher, Bijaya Kumar Gacchyadhar etc.

yes giving power and authority to the local bodies is the best way. And the best way to do to it will be by promoting a system where these local bodies are directly elected by the locals.

Rushil wrote:

Saurav wrote:I think, providing most of the power to president of V.D.C's and Municipalities and to the L.D.O's, C.D.O's and 'Anchaladhis' is the best way to go for the de-centralization. But all the L.D.O's, C.D.O's and 'Anchaladhis' should be elected form their respective regions. We can see examples that political leaders, even how corrupt they are will do better for their local region, like Chiranjivi Wagle, Pashupati Sumsher, Bijaya Kumar Gacchyadhar etc.

yes giving power and authority to the local bodies is the best way. And the best way to do to it will be by promoting a system where these local bodies are directly elected by the locals.

Yes and finally, the election commission will be independent and there should be regular election. Other wise the problem will be even more serious.

But how long will it take to stabilize the present political scenario? We have a long way before the dream can be fulfilled...